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Probably still mean a conservative government.

Na if that was right Cameron should be leader as I believe whoever wins the most seats is the only legitimate leader' date=' but Red Ed would sell us out to the SNP and probably form a minority government.

Be in Sturgeon's pocket......

Just because I chose to go to university doesn't mean I have to be pleased with the Tories decision to raise the fees astronomically and labour are the best suited party for me, there's absolutely no way to write Ed off as a poor leader when he's not had a chance.

After the 5 years of Cameron I've come to the conclusion that he is no better than any of those running.

I didn't say you have to be pleased, nobody can doubt on economic matters the Conservatives are competent when Labour just seem to make it up as they go along.

I wouldn't panic anyway the swings in predicted results are massive depending where you look could all be totally different.

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Labour is the reason we have the economic mess we have just like they have left every single time they have had Power historically.

Economically incompetent

No you're quite wrong. The reason why we're in an economic mess was because of the global financial crisis (the clue is in the word global). In 1997 Labour inherited a debt of 42% of GDP and a deficit of 3.9% of GDP (not a balanced budget). By the start of the global financial crises in 2008' date=' the debt had fallen to 37% and the deficit had fallen to 2.1%, which is pretty impressive.

[center']ukgs_line.php?title=UK%20National%20Debt%20As%20Percent%20Of%20GDP&year=1997_2014&sname=&units=p&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&spending0=41.81_40.79_38.52_35.38_30.97_30.05_31.15_32.74_35.73_36.90_37.47_38.93_51.97_63.75_69.84_73.24_78.11_80.92&legend=&source=a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a[/center]

It's worth noting that the Tories not only argued for even less financial regulation before the financial crisis, but opposed Labour's measures to moderate the recession in 2009.

For more on this matter, I'd suggest you read the Mediamacro myth series by Simon Wren-Lewis who's an economics professor at Oxford University, and a fellow of Merton College:

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-1-2010-britain-faced.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-2-labour-profligacy.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-3-2007-boom.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-4-immediate-necessity.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-5-long-term-plan.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-6-2013-recovery.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-7-strong-recovery.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-8-employment-growth.html

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No you're quite wrong. The reason why we're in an economic mess was because of the global financial crisis (the clue is in the word global). In 1997' date=' Labour inherited a debt of 42% of GDP and a deficit of 3.9% of GDP (not a balanced budget). By the start of the global financial crises in 2008, the debt had fallen to 37% and the deficit had fallen to 2.1%, which is pretty impressive.

[center']ukgs_line.php?title=UK%20National%20Debt%20As%20Percent%20Of%20GDP&year=1997_2014&sname=&units=p&bar=1&stack=1&size=m&spending0=41.81_40.79_38.52_35.38_30.97_30.05_31.15_32.74_35.73_36.90_37.47_38.93_51.97_63.75_69.84_73.24_78.11_80.92&legend=&source=a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a_a[/center]

It's worth noting that the Tories not only argued for even less financial regulation before the financial crisis, but opposed Labour's measures to moderate the recession in 2009.

For more on this matter, I'd suggest you read the Mediamacro myth series on by Simon Wren-Lewis who's an economics professor at Oxford University, and a fellow of Merton College.

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-1-2010-britain-faced.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-2-labour-profligacy.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-3-2007-boom.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-4-immediate-necessity.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-5-long-term-plan.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-6-2013-recovery.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-7-strong-recovery.html

http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/mediamacro-myth-8-employment-growth.html

Oh here he goes with his millions of quotes, for every single one you have posted there I could get two from other reputable sources to suggest the exact opposite.

The only difference is I can't be arsed.....people can look it up for themselves and I'm sure are intelligent enough to form there own opinion.

We will soon see come the morning what way the electorate seems to believe...

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Why has this never been a policy

It should be we clearly see things differently so why not let us have the chance?

Like us Northern commoners even matter.

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Exactly so they might as well get rid of us;)

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Like us Northern commoners even matter.

Sent from an iRock 3

Good God stop wallowing in self pity, I can assure you there are millions of people in the South who struggle to get by....

Quite frankly I would be all for more dissolved power for regions,

That Labour candidate in Sunderland South is pretty nice :):)

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Oh here he goes with his millions of quotes' date=' for every single one you have posted there I could get two from other reputable sources to suggest the exact opposite.

The only difference is I can't be arsed.....people can look it up for themselves and I'm sure are intelligent enough to form there own opinion.

We will soon see come the morning what way the electorate seems to believe...[/quote']

Facts, not quotes Ray.

Unfortunately all parties lie, the Conservatives looked to pass the blame onto Labour and vice versa, the UK population has little to no understanding of the reasons for our economic downturn because they have been lied to by both parties so much that eventually fingers go in ears and everyone picks a side.

The fact is that the UK was caught up in something much bigger than ourselves. No political party would have been able to stop the financial crisis FACT.

The simple fact is that actually people aren't all intelligent enough to form their own opinion, if you listen to reasons some people vote they are awful!

Instead people, desperate for guidance and honesty are constantly misinformed from political sources with agendas for power the fact is the economy back then was like pass the parcel, eventually someone was going to be left holding onto the blame and the music stopped with Labour.

Things were not great under Labour last but I'd struggle to blame them in the same way I wouldn't blame a Conservative government for not being able to fix all the problems in the last 5 years.

It's the lying about the best financial course of action that grates me and ALL parties do it! Which is why our system is so flawed.

Measures like austerity have been proven to be ineffectual in times of low growth, as they limit confidence in spending from the majority, which is what is needed to cause growth. Austerity does however give those with money more control.

However the alternatives by Labour will also not produce the amount of growth they are predicting.

Essentially both major parties are lying about their financial projections which are completely delusional because our economy isn't as simple as that!

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Labour borrowing money when the economy was booming is absolutely unforgivable. If anyone can point me directly to a decent counter argument, I'd be happy to listen.

The alternative to the 'austerity' (which isn't really particularly austere since we still have a deficit) is the free spending of France who are now up the economic swanee. They've created fewer jobs than Yorkshire and have an unemployment rate that's twice that of the UK. In their recent elections, they've voted in a right wing government to sort things out.

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Oh here he goes with his millions of quotes' date=' for every single one you have posted there I could get two from other reputable sources to suggest the exact opposite.

The only difference is I can't be arsed.....people can look it up for themselves and I'm sure are intelligent enough to form there own opinion.

We will soon see come the morning what way the electorate seems to believe...[/quote']

Since you can't be arsed, why don't you get just post one reputable source to suggest that Labour didn't decrease the debt and deficit to 37% and 2.1% respectively in 2008.

I'll give you a clue: you won't find one.

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Good God stop wallowing in self pity' date=' I can assure you there are millions of people in the South who struggle to get by....

Quite frankly I would be all for more dissolved power for regions,

That Labour candidate in Sunderland South is pretty nice :):)[/quote']

Of course, there's no denying that.

Point is, the Tories have an awful lot to do to even get your 'average' Northerner to vote for them and, whilst I'm no expert on politics, the majority of working class people I know have been taken for a ride for far too long to even consider becoming a conservative voter. Just from my experience anyway. I'm sure yours differ from mine.

Anyway, Preston actually won a play-off match tonight! I'd happily let you dig into my self pity prior to tonight, but not now :P

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Labour borrowing money when the economy was booming is absolutely unforgivable. If anyone can point me directly to a decent counter argument' date=' I'd be happy to listen.

The alternative to the 'austerity' (which isn't really particularly austere since we still have a deficit) is the free spending of France who are now up the economic swanee. They've created fewer jobs than Yorkshire and have an unemployment rate that's twice that of the UK. In their recent elections, they've voted in a right wing government to sort things out.[/quote']

Yes Germany voted for a right wing government to sort out their economic collapse, and we all know what happened there.

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Can you imagine if it was whoever wins the first declared seat wins the election.

That'd be more entertaining.

Could be onto something here, other possible options could be a 5 a side tournament with the winner getting power, could make a fortune selling the rights to sky as well.

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Yep' date=' that's definitely relevant...[/quote']

Well it is, right wing parties generally get a bigger following when the economy takes a down turn. Right wing parties are getting more followers as the European economy has got worse.

Voting in a right wing party to sort out the economy isn't always a great idea.

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Yes Germany voted for a right wing government to sort out their economic collapse' date=' and we all know what happened there.[/quote']

As Stu said not really sure that is in anyway relevant to Britain.

Germany are suffering for not taking the relevant economic steps that Britain has....

But then they are way to far involved in the "European Project" to admit it is a failed/flawed idea.

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Mate in Italy' date=' those who enter the prison there is a month and out! In Italy reigns State-Mafia. And 'different visit and live there. Believe me, it is the most corrupt of Portugal (although I do not know if the Portallo is corrupt, because they do not live there) .[b']In Italian young people have no work, and you enter only with political connections! All this is sad.[/b]

This also happens here, mate. :(

I would have thought that an electronic process would be open to so much potentially tampering?

Also with electric voting systems can you say you don't want to vote for any of them? Cos of it's just a select a box for one party then that would mean you'd automatically lose a vote?

I'm not very familiar with the electronic voting process' date=' so idk. :o

Because the image of the party leader matters?
Of course it does. What an absurd thing to say.

Bear in mind that he will be the face of your country for the next couple of years (if chosen) - wouldn't you find it disturbing if your representative was Wallace?

Unfortunately it does.

Many Portuguese women think our prime-minister is handsome.

I bet he got loads of votes because of it' date=' which is pathetic ofc.

Vote Fern for a better future..........for me and a worse one for the rest of you. I'll declare war on Scotland, blow up every religious related thing in England and ban feminism. I shall come to power in a bloodless coup like Walt Disney.
Where do I sign up?

I'm in too.

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