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Can't say I know too much about the House of Lords, how it works and how corrupt it is so I can't really comment Darlo :o

Alcohol however is right up my street :D Putting a minimum price on it is good; it means it can't be sold ridiculously cheap (below the tax the retailer pays on it) but the price isn't so high as to price it off the market. Any minimum price wouldn't perturb alcoholics and binge drinkers. They'll just use the money they usually budget for other areas (possibly increasing the rate of crime). Ergo, the new introduction hasn't really made a jot of difference... If the government want to stop binge drinking then the only way I can see to accomplish it is by rationing it (putting a limit to how much you can buy in a given period) :o That would be incredibly hard to enforce though.

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The Government will find it very hard to even minimise binge drinkers, especially those who do it without knowing it!

Someone comes home from work, has an alcoholic drink when they get in, has one while they're making dinner then has one after dinner, there's three cans, times that by 5 and there's 15 cans, about 22/23 units and that's excluding the weekend!!

I also think that the government should rashion it, but yes it would be extremely hard to do.

It sounds extremely stupid and I know that everyone will disagree, but here goes. I'm 17 and the only reason I started drinking is because in my early teens, being my adolesent self, I felt the need to disobey my parents and the law and start drinking. The only reason I did it is because it was illegal and couldn't wait to buy it legally, so I think the purchase age should be lowered to 16, you can join the army/navy, buy a house, get married and even be thrown in jail at 16, but you're not allowed to buy a drink, seems rather confusing doesn't it? (Not a brilliant argument but I hope I've got my point accross?)

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Whats everyones views on Nick Cleggs decision to reform the lords?

Typical liberal / Socialist nonsense in my opinion...people are calling for reform without really understanding the benefits the house of Lords bring to our democracy. Its worth reminding oneself of the two houses different functions. In short..

1. The commons (via the electoral system) makes legislation.

2. The Lords examines and debates the bills made by the Commons' date=' and suggests areas of improvement.

As Hemy suggests, Its worth noting most of the hereditary peers have gone and now the Lords contain experts, academics and experienced people in fields such the law, science, business, medicine etc. To become a Lord, unlike an elected MP you need to have expertise or knowledge. An elected House of Lords would be composed of professional politicians and party loyalists,and would be less independently minded and unlikely to be an effective check on the excess's of the house of Commons.

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I'm also interested in people's opinions of the new minimum price for alcohol? It was meant to decrease binge drinking but it means a can of larger can be sold for as little as 40p. I'm 17' date=' I don't drink that much, only socially with my friends but I'm not usually the raging drunk, but 40p a can isn't going to put anyone off drinking. A 4 pack usually costs around £6 so thats £1.50 a can, if it went up to £2 per can then that would make me think twice.

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Personally I don't think its anywhere near high enough and would agree that for instance a can of beer should reflect the price one can expect to pay in a pub. The main problem clearly lies in the prices charged in Supermarkets and corner shops and this is where the battle should be fought as public houses are in enough trouble competing as it is.

I truly think Labour are laughing, in my opinion the coalition keep shooting themselves in the foot, I'm a conservative, but even I have to admit, I can't see this government having a good reputatino with the electorate by the time 2015 comes around. Then again this might juist increase political participation in this country?

Undoubtably the last election was the one to loose as the austerity measures would have been carried our regardless of who won it. Whilst very broadly agreeing I believe everything depends on the economy, if the situation is improved by time the next general election is fought, then an immediate return to power for the Socialists is unlikely. Despite the difficult times for the Government, i see nothing of any consequence coming from the Labour party, Millepede is weak, uncharismatic and clearly in the pocket of the militant Trade Union movement, they lack any clear policy and I am quite certain that (outside Scotland and parts of the North) the people of our magnificent Island are not gullible enough to forget the dreadful mess they left us in. :)

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Undoubtably the last election was the one to loose as the austerity measures would have been carried our regardless of who won it. Whilst very broadly agreeing I believe everything depends on the economy' date=' if the situation is improved by time the next general election is fought, then an immediate return to power for the Socialists is unlikely. Despite the difficult times for the Government, i see nothing of any consequence coming from the Labour party, Millepede is weak, uncharismatic and clearly in the pocket of the militant Trade Union movement, they lack any clear policy and I am quite certain that (outside Scotland and parts of the North) the people of our magnificent Island are not gullible enough to forget the dreadful mess they left us in. :)

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Completely agree the last election was the one to loose, but I think Miliband could prove to be a good leader of the Labour party and a good leader of the country, but only time will tell, which one of us is right.

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There are occasions on this thread where I feel like I've been redirected to the ConservativeHome blogs section. ;)

Interesting couple of days. Johnson's gone amid whispers of a hatchet job by Balls and his staff (admittedly only from Guido that I know of, but then scandal is his business) and Warsi's said something crackpot and divisive (again). Ed debating Gideon on economic policy should offer up some fun moments.

Clarke Carlisle is on Question Time apparently as well. Blimey. Pelters for Simon Hughes please, spineless abstainer.

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Well I for one have nothing but admiration for the numerous young men of the forum who feel that progressive right wing politics are clearly the way forward for the UK :)

I can only sympathise with them at the lack of a party offering these sort of policies. :D

Edit: Is Galloway drunk on QT? In between the ranting and raving at Alistair Campbell, Simon Hughes and Caroline Spellman he's also managed to get the Health Secretary's name wrong.

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Hardly Hemy ...Put it this way my friend' date=' there is a much missed Drunken Scotsman laying in a gutter somewhere in North Carolina who often's calls me Benito Mussolini, amongst many other less complimentary things ;)[/color']

Well, seems like our blues colours can shine together ;)

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With so much going on in the world its gone very quiet here?, do young people have no opinions anymore?

TEN MEN WALK INTO A PUB......

Suppose that once a month, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all of them comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes and claim State benefits, it would go something like this....

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay £1.
The sixth would pay £3.
The seventh would pay £7.
The eighth would pay £12.
The ninth would pay £18.
And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59. So that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every month and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20.” Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men; the paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realised that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody’s share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So the bar owner suggested a different system. The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing.
The sixth man paid £2 instead of £3 .
The seventh paid £5 instead of £7.
The eighth paid £9 instead of £12.
The ninth paid £14 instead of £18.
And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59. 
Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. “I only got £1 out of the £20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got £10!” “Yes, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a £1 too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The rich get all the breaks!” “Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all.

This new tax system exploits the poor!” So, the nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. Funnily enough, the next month the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came to pay for their drinks, they discovered something important – they didn’t have enough money between all of them to pay for even half the bill.

That’s how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes do tend to get the most benefit from tax reliefs and reductions. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore.

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Taken from the Telegraph....;)

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That's fine and I agree with it to a point. However I am slightly taken aback that in our current climate with all the narrative surrounding tightening the reigns on banks and helping small business and of course the huge cuts pretty much everywhere that this government feels it's able to offer the sort of tax reductions to large and medium size businesses that it is doing. Although thats somewhat out of context when held up against the article I suppose.

Also, the Government must love Caroline Spelman this week. They're now the 'listening Government'. The climb down has actually resulted in a bit of decent PR for them.

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I know I'm 16 and not amazingly knowledgeable in all this political stuff but the recent up rising in the arab world has really interested me. We talk a lot about it our History classes at school as our teacher is quite happy to answer our questions on it all.

I was just wondering what some of your views were on us entering the collation with France , Italy , USA and the canadians. Personally I'm happy were finally standing up to gadaffi , from what I've seen he's just pure evil. It's amazing the propaganda there pushing out from there side claiming we've attacked civilians and making us out to be some evil invaders coming over to steal there oil isn't that the only reason we've been keeping them sweet for now?

My teacher (I'm sorry to keep using his opinion as my own) told us that he sees the uprising in all those coutries as a similar situation to the break away from the soviet union in the 90s , one country has seen it can have freedom and now all the others want it, but what if they do all get democracy? what sort of regime is going to be voted in next?

I'm personally worried about the future of everything , I know we have to fight these people and Libya may only be small compared to the massive forces we posses but gaddafi is prepared to fight to the death something that gives him a huge advantage over us , he's prepared to kill his own to make sure he stays in power and that worries me.

I'm sorry some of my points are not very clear I just thought I'd right something as most of my friends either can't give a tosh or think world war 3 is kicking of.

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I'm sorry some of my points are not very clear I just thought I'd right something as most of my friends either can't give a tosh or think world war 3 is kicking of.

In short Ash this man is a murderer and long term enemy of the West ..take a look at the murder of PC Yvonne Fletcher back in the 1980's' date=' his arming and training of the IRA, terrorist attacks on American soldiers in Berlin and of course the Lockerbie bombing. Despite the awful Blair and the disgusting SNP sucking up to him a few years back, he is an evil wicked dictator and deserves to be strung up from the nearest lamppost. There will be no WW3 over this mate, everyone (other than the Chinese and the Russians) hate this wally and will be glad to see the back of him. Put your feet up and enjoy the war my son, hopefully there will be some good cockpit footage from the Tornado's etc, I like a bit of that me :) [/color']

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In short Ash this man is a murderer and long term enemy of the West ..take a look at the murder of PC Yvonne Fletcher back in the 1980's' date=' his arming and training of the IRA, terrorist attacks on American soldiers in Berlin and of course the Lockerbie bombing. Despite the awful Blair and the disgusting SNP sucking up to him a few years back, he is an evil wicked dictator and deserves to be strung up from the nearest lamppost. There will be no WW3 over this mate, everyone (other than the Chinese and the Russians) hate this wally and will be glad to see the back of him. Put your feet up and enjoy the war my son, hopefully there will be some good cockpit footage from the Tornado's etc, I like a bit of that me :) [/color']

I'm sure there won't be my friends are just a bit erm :P

I'll take a look at them when I have some free time :) my mum has been f'ing and blinding about him for 2 hours so from what you've said she must be in agreement.

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I'm sure there won't be my friends are just a bit erm :P

I'll take a look at them when I have some free time :) my mum has been f'ing and blinding about him for 2 hours so from what you've said she must be in agreement.

Good for your mum mate' date=' the Yanks nearly had him years ago, the US President ( a great man called Ronald Reagan) sent in bombers but he managed to escape. Whilst that won't happen this time around, I'm hopeful we will knock enough out of him and his Army to allow the opposition a chance at taking him out for us, then we can buy all their oil before the Chinese do :)[/color']

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In short Ash this man is a murderer and long term enemy of the West ..take a look at the murder of PC Yvonne Fletcher back in the 1980's' date=' his arming and training of the IRA, terrorist attacks on American soldiers in Berlin and of course the Lockerbie bombing. Despite the awful Blair and the disgusting SNP sucking up to him a few years back, he is an evil wicked dictator and deserves to be strung up from the nearest lamppost. There will be no WW3 over this mate, everyone (other than the Chinese and the Russians) hate this wally and will be glad to see the back of him. Put your feet up and enjoy the war my son, hopefully there will be some good cockpit footage from the Tornado's etc, I like a bit of that me :) [/color']

Dont go on about ira being terrorists they simply defended there land from YOU who had no rights to be there and struck back and dont dare come back at me and think i dont no what im talking about because iv been brought up in all that cr@p if u think its the ira who were the murders ur in the wrong both sides were just as bad

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Dont go on about ira being terrorists they simply defended there land from YOU who had no rights to be there and struck back and dont dare come back at me and think i dont no what im talking about because iv been brought up in all that cr@p if u think its the ira who were the murders ur in the wrong both sides were just as bad

talking out of your *** as usual

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talking out of your *** as usual

shut ur mouth u clown ur a idiot what do you no about it all? England invaded ireland yea killed people so ireland fought back if ireland came here and took ur land im guessing you wudnt be to pleased wud ya so how can u blame them for fighting back? I dont agree with wat ira did but to blame them for what they did is the dumbist thing iv heard so u wanna keep quiet pal

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In short Ash this man is a murderer and long term enemy of the West ..take a look at the murder of PC Yvonne Fletcher back in the 1980's' date=' his arming and training of the IRA, terrorist attacks on American soldiers in Berlin and of course the Lockerbie bombing. Despite the awful Blair and the disgusting SNP sucking up to him a few years back, he is an evil wicked dictator and deserves to be strung up from the nearest lamppost. There will be no WW3 over this mate, everyone (other than the Chinese and the Russians) hate this wally and will be glad to see the back of him. Put your feet up and enjoy the war my son, hopefully there will be some good cockpit footage from the Tornado's etc, I like a bit of that me :)

Read the post again you moron ....and tell me where i referred to the IRA as terrorists...what a fool you are

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