TomOwen 8,151 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Does someone want to earn a bundle load of rep?Summarise the whole thread with the risers please:o tbh a posted when it was first made and looked at it now and now way a can be botherd going thrugh it all Bet theirs other aswell:p *Hides head in shame* You'll be getting five of mine too if you do so because I am very lazy to read about twenty pages of the thread. It's 11 rep points! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweeeeeet 39 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Demichelis 91 - 92/93 altintop 89-91 jerome boateng 83-86+ petric 89-91 kroos 73-80 toni 94-95 klose 94-95 ze roberto 92-93 mark van bommel 92-91 daniel van buyten 92-91 Jermaine jones 82-87 Lukas Podolski 91-90 willy sagnol 93-92 vincent kompany 90-91 diego ribas 93-94 Sestak 83-86+ Michael rensing 85-87 Martin Lanig 83- 86 Pavel Krmas 83-85 Matthias Jaissle 74-77 Benjamin Siegert 82-84 Berkant Goktan 83-86 Eke Uzoma 74-78 Millivoje Novakovic 86-88 Heiko Butscher 82-85 Timo Achenbach 83-84 PHEW cheers people will add more or feel free to add but thats plenty and took ages thanks x djp_77, lil_kick_kid, darshan j. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lil_kick_kid 1,286 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Well I just looked through the whole thread! (starting after the old rating changes). I have listed many players and hopefully did not reapeat any. Here you go: Bayern Munchen Ze Roberto 92-93 33 Jose Ernesto Sosa 89-88 22 Luca Toni 94-95 30 Hamit Altintop 89-90/91 24 Martin Demichelis 91-92/93 26 Michael Rensing 85-87 23 Christian Lell 85-86/87 23 Daniel Van Buyten 92-91 29 Miroslav Klose 94-95 29 Toni Kroos 73-82 17 Werder Bremen Diego 93-94 Per Mertesacker 92-93 23 Dusko Tosic 87-88 22 Hugo Almeida 87-89/90 23 Boubacar Sanogo 88-90 24 Martin Harnik 81-85 20 Tim Borowski 92-91 27 Hamburg Jerome Boateng 83-86 19 Paolo Guerrero 87-88/89 23 Ivica Olic 89-90 28 Juan Pablo Sorin 92-90 31 Eric Choupo-Moting 74-80 18 Vincent Kompany 90-91 21 Thimothee Atouba 87-86 25 Mohammed Zidan 90-88 25 Rafael Van Der Vaart 93-94 24 David Jarolim 89-90 28 Karlsruhe Timo Staffeldt 80-83/84 23 Tamas Hajnal 86-89 26 Markus Miller 85-87/88 25 Andreas Gorlitz 83-86/87 25 Michael Mutzel 82-87 28 Mario Eggiman 85-86/87 26 Bayer Leverkusen Tranquillo Barnetta 88-89/90 22 Karim Haggui 86-87/88 23 Stephan Kiessling 89-90 23 Rene Adler 87-89/90 22 Hans Sarpei 85-86/87 31 Shalke Ivan Rakitic 85-88/89 19 Jermaine Jones 82-88 26 Peter Lovenkrands 88-86/87 27 Mesut Ozil 83-85 19 Gerald Asamoah 87-88 29 Christian Pander 86-88/89 24 Stuttgart Serdar Tasci 88-89 20 Pontus Farnerud 84-86 23 Hannover Sergio Pinto 84-85/86 27 Mike Hanke 88-89/90 24 Steve Cherundolo 88-89 28 Szabolcs Huszti 89-90 24 Hertha Patrick Ebert 86-87 20 Carlos Mineiro 92-91 32 Marko Pantelic 90-91 29 Solomon Okoronkwo 80-85 Bochum Stanislav Sestak 83-87 24 Frankfurt Alexander Meier 87-88/89 24 Albert Streit 88-89/90 27 Wolfsburg Jan Simunek 81-85 20 Ashkan Dejagah 86-87 21 Marcelinho 91-90 32 Edin Dzeko 85-86 21 Vlad Munteanu 89-88 26 Anunciado Josue 91-90 28 Marcel Schafer 84-86 23 Dortmund Mladen Petric 89-91 26 Dede 89-90 29 Robert Kovac 90-89 33 Rostock Enrico Kern 85-86 28 Tobias Rathgeb 79-83 25 Bielefeld Robert Tesche 80-83/84 20 Nurnberg Joshua Kennedy 80-83 25 Duisburg Markus Daun 84-82 27 Gladbach Marko Marin 77-82 18 Marcel Ndjeng 83-86 25 Rob Friend 84-86 26 Christofer Heimeroth 80-84 26 Alexander Voigt 84-85 29 Freiburg Karim Matmour 82-84/85 22 Heiko Butscher 82-84 27 Eke Uzoma 74-78/79 18 Pavel Krmas 83-84 27 Mainz Felix Borja 86-87 24 Neven Subotic 73-80 18 Markus Feulner 85-87 25 1860 Munchen Timo Gebhart 74-Mid to high 70’s 18 Antonio Di Salvo 84-85/86 28 Lars Bender 79-83 18 Berkant Goktan 83-85 26 Koln Milivoje Novakovic 86-87/88 28 Youssef Mohamad 84-86 27 Furth Timo Achenbach 83-84 25 Martin Lanig 83-85/86 23 Wehen Maximilian Nicu 77-84 25 Ronny Konig 78-83 24 Bakary Diakité 81-83/84 27 Benjamin Siegert 82-84 26 Hoffenheim Sejad Salihovic 80-82/83 23 Daniel Haas 77-81/82 24 Matthias Jaissle 74-77/78 19 Isaac Vorsah 72-80 19 Dragan Paljic 77-80/81 24 Osnabruck Rouwen Hennings 78-80 20 Once again I hope I didnt repeat any and I hope this helps. Cheers. TomOwen, sweeeeeet, snike and 8 others 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TomOwen 8,151 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Well I just looked through the whole thread! (starting after the old rating changes). I have listed many players and hopefully did not reapeat any. Here you go:Tosic' date=' 87:88 Almeida, 87:89/90 Sanogo, 88:90 Harnik, 81:85 Borowski, 92:91 Ozil, 83:85 Rakitic, 85:88/89 Jones, 82:88 Pander, 86:88/89 Simunek, 81:85 Dejagah, 86:87 Marcelinho, 91:90 Josue, 91:90 Schafer, 84:86 Ebert, 86:87 Andres Lima, 80:85 Okoronkwo, 80:85 J. Boateng, 83:86 Guerrero, 87:88/89 Choupo-Moting, 74:80 Zidan, 90:89 Lell, 85:86/87 Altintop, 89:90/91 Demichelis, 91:92/93 Van Buyten, 92:91 Kroos, 73:82 Barnetta, 88:89/90 Haggui, 86:87/88. Adler, 87:89/90 Barbarez, 90:89 Sarpai, 85:86/87 Sergio Pinto, 84:85/86 L.Bender, 79:Low 80s Gebhart, 74:Mid to high 70’s. Marin, 77:82 Hennings, 78:80 Toni, 94:95 Vorsah, 72:80 Subotic, 73:80 Petric, 89:91 Diego, 93:94 Ndjeng, 83:86 Friend, 84:86 Heimeroth, 80:84 Voigt, 84:85 Sestak, 83:87 Sosa, 89:88 Kovac, 90:89 Mineiro, 92:91 Munteanu, 89:88 Sorin, 92:91 Pantelic, 90:91 Tasci, 88:89 Asamoah, 87:88 Farnerud, 84:86 Hajnal, 86:89 Gorlitz, 83:86/87 Staffeldt, 80:83/84 Mutzel, 82:87 Hanke, 88:89/90 Ze Roberto, 92:93 Van Der Vaart, 93:94 Jarolim, 89:90 Mertesacker, 92:93 Dzeko, 85:86 Dede, 89:90 Huszti, 89:90 Meier, 87:88/89 Olic, 89:90 Borja, 86:87 Feulner, 85:87 Nicu, 77:84 Konig, 78:83 Diakité, 81:83/84 Eggiman, 85:86/87 Streit, 88:89/90 Daun, 84:82 Lovenkrands, 88:86/87 Atouba, 87:86 Salihovic, 80:82/83 Kennedy, 80:83 Rensing, 85:87 Haas, 77:81/82 Miller, 85:87/88 Di Salvo, 84:85/86 Kern, 85:86 Rathgeb, 79:83 Kompany, 90:91 Lanig, 83:85/86 Krmas, 83:84 Jaissle, 74:77/78 Siegert, 82:84 Goktan, 83:85 Uzoma, 74:78/79 Novakovic, 86:87/88 Butscher, 82:84 Achenbach, 83:84 L. Bender, 79:83 Cherundolo, 88:89 Kiessling, 89:90 Paljic, 77:80/81 Tesche, 80:83/84 Matmour, 82:84/85 Mohamad, 84:86 Once again I hope I didnt repeat any and I hope this helps. Cheers.[/quote'] That was very helpful but LKK, can you please change some of the stuff. Instead of using : use --> since it's easier to see and also space them up as well as bold the names. Maybe also you should put their age and their club in. Thanks, and I repped you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweeeeeet 39 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes good work but please give me rep as i did loads first--- well you repeated most of my risers BUT you did well listing the fallers Gizb 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snike 53 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes good stuff. i just want to emphasize though that those are just suggested rises. i saw that you took some of them from posts i made and some of those posts are actually probably a month old and they are also just my opinion. so don't be surprised if the eventual changes might be different. the list is still useful though because most of those guys will get a change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lil_kick_kid 1,286 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Thanks for the rep and the comments everyone! I really appreciate it as I did work very hard. Sweeet, I did list the players you listed but I did go through the whole thread to find as many as possible, as you were doing yours. So I didn't copy you, I just listed every player that I could find. Once again I really appreciate the rep and the great comments, cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kyle Turner 1,038 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes what are there first names??????????????????????????? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lil_kick_kid 1,286 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Always making it harder, I'll add them to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herbythelovebug 1,646 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Lil_Kick_Kid ..... U DA MAN!!! Impressive list buddy, must've taken you ages. You deserve all the rep you've been given! There were 2 changes that I disagree with, as I feel they were unwarranted and both just happened to be players dropping in rating! Not saying you should amend or edit you post, but would like to point out the following: Sergej Barbarez According to the Kicker stats and from what I have seen this season he has been very good, especially for an old fella . 3 goals and 3 assists for a deep playing forward isn't bad and just checking through the lines ups for Bayer's past 10 games he has even been playing in a AM role in some of the away games. I think he SHOULDN'T decrease and stay on 90. Even have his position changed to F/AM. Juan Pablo Sorin "Mr Injured" at Hamburg. He is to them what Sicknote Saha is to Man Utd!! I'm asking for a BIGGER decrease .... 92 to 90 for me. Was injured for half of last season (and when he played he was quite poor). He hasn't played a single minute of football for club or country this season and has just had another knee op (29.10.07). Once a great player but I feel that he isn't really suited to the BL and the fact he's always injured and not playing should see him decrease further. Mohammed Zidan You suggested a decrease from 90 to 89. Seeing Olic has been the main striker for HSV, Zidan has mainly been used as a super sub but hasn't really been super. Just 1 goal and 1 assist in 11 games (5 as a substitute) is hardly 90 quality. I can see him go down 2 to 88 tbh. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herbythelovebug 1,646 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes what are there first names??????????????????????????? Always making it harder' date=' I'll add them to.[/quote']Is this info REALLY needed?? How many of the players have duplicate name-sakes? I suggest if you're not sure about a player you're intending to buy you ask on this thread and someone will help you out. It would take quite a bit of time for LKK to add more info to his already detailed post. I have to admit, some people are VERY lazy. Next thing we'll see someone post ..... 'can someone please make a bid for such and such on behalf of my bla bla team?!?' Herby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lil_kick_kid 1,286 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Thanks Herby! I have added the first names and I'll make the changes that you suggested. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tebthereb 3,129 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Great list and some rep heading your way. I am curious about Mineiro, still a regular for Brazil, is he that bad for his club that he warrants a decrease Herb?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
svejk 65 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes I see that everyone say that Kovac should get decrease. Yes, i agree he doesnt play very good for his club, but you must look his games for national team, and there he is good. I think that he should stay at 90 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herbythelovebug 1,646 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes Great list and some rep heading your way. I am curious about Mineiro' date=' still a regular for Brazil, is he that bad for his club that he warrants a decrease Herb?![/quote']He's only played 9 games this season, of which 3 were sub appearances. No goals or assists and a pretty poor grade in the games he has played. I have only actually seen him play 1 game this season, back in week 2 when Berlin played my beloved Stuttgart (which Hertha Berlin won 3:1 ) - he was very average that day and was subsequently dropped the following week against Bielefeld. I think LKK was spot on by dropping him 1 from 92 to 91. Cheers, HTLB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Herbythelovebug 1,646 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes I see that everyone say that Kovac should get decrease. Yes' date=' i agree he doesnt play very good for his club, but you must look his games for national team, and there he is good. I think that he should stay at 90[/quote']In that case Podolski should be rated 94/95. He always playes great for Germany but **** at club level! I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you svejk. Ratings are done predominantly on CLUB form as that's where players exhibit their talents and skill week in, week out. International and Cup competitions should also play a role but probably only in marginal or borderline ratings changes. Don't get me wrong, if a player plays for his country then that should carry some weight but it shouldn't keep him at a level when he has been below par at club level. Herby Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweeeeeet 39 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes thats the final straw i work hard then someone else does what i have done AND gets the rep well dont expect a christmas card from me:mad: :mad: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lil_kick_kid 1,286 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes thats the final straw i work hard then someone else does what i have done AND gets the rep well dont expect a christmas card from me:mad: :mad: I'm sorry that you feel that way. I didn't mean to "steal your thunder" or anything. I just think it might be because I looked through the whole thread and then improved on things i was asked to improve to make the list more understandable. It took me really long and I'm sure it took you long aswell. You worked hard so I'd like to say great list mate. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ricardo Kaka 293 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes thats the final straw i work hard then someone else does what i have done AND gets the rep well dont expect a christmas card from me:mad: :mad: Look mate I know how It feels I have made threads and Posts that have taken ages to make but no one notices them. It happens mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sweeeeeet 39 Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Re: German Changes im not too sore just like a ball to the groin type sore Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ahmed 1,427 Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Re: German Changes I don't know Mineiro seemed as a bargain at the beginning but seems I must get rid of him now , I still think he shouldn't drop . To my knowledge he has plaid more games than Gilberto Silva , D'Alessandro ,Emerson , Inzaghi , Tiago , Camorenesi , Fred , Van Buyten , Thuram etc .... So will all these also drop ? i don't think so :rolleyes: they might not be in the German changes but they are good examples . At least Mineiro is a regular starter for Brazil . What of Jerome Boateng of Hamburg , he has been a regular at high flying Beefburger SV:D sorry , Hamburger SV . I think he should rise to 87 , a point better than Granat and his position must change to D as he is very versatile and plaid on different positions this season . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lil_kick_kid 1,286 Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Re: German Changes I have just added the age of all the players on the list. This is for you Tom. Cheers. LKK -Quagliarella- 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darshan j. 1,162 Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Re: German Changes I What of Jerome Boateng of Hamburg ' date=' he has been a regular at high flying Beefburger SV:D sorry , Hamburger SV . I think he should rise to 87 , a point better than Granat and his position must change to D as he is very versatile and plaid on different positions this season .[/quote'] Yeah i mentioned him a few times. there is is also a separate thread in the player talent scout section dude. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
svejk 65 Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Re: German Changes In that case Podolski should be rated 94/95.He always playes great for Germany but **** at club level! I'm sorry' date=' I have to disagree with you svejk. Ratings are done predominantly on CLUB form as that's where players exhibit their talents and skill week in, week out. International and Cup competitions should also play a role but probably only in marginal or borderline ratings changes. Don't get me wrong, if a player plays for his country then that should carry some weight but it shouldn't keep him at a level when he has been below par at club level. Herby[/quote'] Yes you are right. But you know i'm bit dissapointed that player with that skills and great history has rating 89 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keith 63 Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Re: German Changes I think Hajnal warrants a 90. He's a 26 year old goal scoring midfielder with 13 appearances for Karlsruher in the Bundesliga, 4 goals, 1152 minutes on the pitch plus he's a regular starter for the Hungarian national side. He was also voted Hungary's Footballer of the Year ahead of Zoltán Gera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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