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I see many new managers joining setups, then leaving after a couple of bad results.

Hopefully this thread will help stop this, as people want to do well in leagues, but end up quitting because they don't know what to do.

I will be listing my ideas and suggestions so that maybe, just maybe, new, inexperienced managers who have joined the forum can read this and get on track with their managerial career. And maybe some older members can pick up a couple of tips as well!

1: Getting a good team.

This can be easy or hard, as there are more than one way of getting a side you want.

The first way is to decide that you will take the first side that is suggested by SM for you, which is extremely simple. I once did this to get myself a decent Valencia in a Spanish Championship. The squad value was just over 200M, and they came with Villa, Ibrahimovic, Reina and Gonzalez, and roughly 20M in the bank. A run down of what I did with them is coming up later.

The second way is to search for a club using the search function. This is how I got my Real Madrid, and one of my Internazionale teams. This can get you some really good clubs, like a Barcelona if you're lucky, but most of the time all of them will be managed or offered to someone else, or perhaps even locked.

You may decide you want a challenge, and you will get a very poor team and try to transform them, like I did with my Derby side. This is more popular in new setups, and Gold Championships where almost all big clubs are taken within minutes.

You could always decide to join a forum filled championship, something like WC10000, EC106 etc etc, which basically guarantees you a test of your managerial skill and know-how.

2: But what to do with them?

You've got a club. Know you need to turn them into league winners, but how?

Of course you could try to buy Messi, Ronaldo, Iniesta, Xavi, Fabregas, as a lot of people do. This will probably get you nowhere, and many a manager quit once they realise that nobody wants to sell Messi or Ronaldo for 50M and two 88 rated 30 year olds.

You should instead be clever. Buy risers, or if you can, some stable high rated players. For an example of how this can be done I present to you my 2nd club, my Derby County.

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This is my first XI, when everyone is fit and not injured, which, without bragging, isn't half bad.

I've had this team for 2 seasons, well, I joined the setup with Derby in the play off final, which I lost, my average was 82, Everton's was 89, and narrowly missed out on promotion last season, again losing in the play off final to my mate's team. My last season has just ended, I won by a very large margin and am comfortably promoted as champions into Division 1. In fact that last season I only lost 3 times in the league, and drew 6 times out of 38 games.

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This is really not that difficult to do yourself, you've just got to have an idea of what you want to achieve. I knew Derby were alright for the division, they finished 5th without a manager, and although the best player was Mark Viduka (84) who has retired, I thought I could challenge for promotion.

I joined Derby in about last September, and so the World Cup was still fresh in my mind (sort of), and this is a big point: You'll do much better as a manager if you actually watch football. I signed Di Maria from Real Madrid for about 12M ( I had 45M in the bank) rated 90, and he was my first signing. I recently sold him for 29.4M, which gave me enough money to buy the last 94 at an external, Higuain.

If you watch football programmes like Match Of The Day and it's European equivalents, the Champions League and the Europa League, and some internationals, you'll probably do much better than most managers.

The approach I went for with Derby is to make them great. I bought some young players, Di Maria, Higuain, Badstuber (on the bench). But the real success has come from me buying stable, high rated players.

If you join an English gameworld, look at the clubs like Inter, Barca, Real Madrid, and you should be able to find players left at them, or the players big clubs like Manchester United or Chelsea have traded off in order to gain higher rated player. For example, Manchester United may have swapped Rooney and Berbatov for Messi, which would leave both of them players ready to be bought in a few weeks. I did this quite well last week, a Barcelona manager in a Spanish game world traded Busquets to Arsenal, and Pedro to Man City, who both now play for me. If you're in a Spanish Championship, Italian Championship or any other like that, just apply the same policy. Of course, in a WC or a GC, it's a lot harder. Go for the unmanaged clubs, you can pick up players easily if the Game world isn't too competitive.

Set yourself a realistic target.

Do you want to blitz the league?

Do you want to challenge for a play off place?

Mid-Table finish?

Survive relegation?

Get relegated then destroy the lower division?

Don't think you'll be able to win a Division 1 title with an average starting XI of 89, it won't happen. I would say you'd need an average of about 92 to stand a good chance of winning something.

3: How to get that average up?

On the surface, it's ridiculously simple.

Just buy high rated players.

But don't decide to buy the first high rated player you can find at an external, unmanaged or transfer listed, as they may not be suitable.

For example, I could buy Ronaldinho for one of my teams for about 15M.

I'm not going to though, he will drop to around 90 from 92 in a few months, he's playing in Brazil where the rating cap is I think 90, which means that there shouldn't be any players rated higher than 90 in that league. Of course SM can't just review the Brazilian league just because Ronny signed for Flamengo, and because Fabiano signed for Sau Paulo.

You need to be clever with transfers. Search the forum for players that are going to rise, or use sites such as Soccerway and Imscouting to get information on players, like whether they may be transferred to a bigger club, and how many minutes they've played, and they goals they may or may not have scored. Don't expect that managers will sell you players (especially high rated ones) for just cash, I would never let anyone buy my Messi from my Barca for 50M!

Messaging managers is a very good option for getting who you want. Speak formally and politely, make sure your spelling and grammar is god and they will hold you in higher esteem. If someone messaged me saying:

" hiya m8 dya wana sell me mesi 4 50bar nd lyk ma 2 bst plyerz?????xoxox"

I wouldn't even bother replying.

Whereas if someone sent me:

" Hi,

I was wondering if you would sell me Lionell Messi for 50M and Gourcuff and Briand?

Regards,

NAME"

I would probably tell them that the offer is not good enough, and I would prefer Gourcuff, Lisandro and Lloris and cash for Messi, as I don't want a 92 and an 89 for the best player in the game ( Fictional situation, standard Lyon squad)

Don't make yourself seem like a fool. Don't try to buy the really high rated players, go for the ones not many people search for, like Gonzalez, Di Natale, Berbatov, Carvalho. In essence, try to buy stable high rated players.

If it's a fairly new setup, search the Lyon, Sevilla, Udinese and other clubs that are normally left unmanaged and try to buy from them, you could get players like Navas, Di Natale, and Gourcuff from them for low cash.

4: Getting a balance.

Don't buy players that are young and talented if they all play in the same position. Basically, don't do what I did and buy Muniain, Gotze, Canales, Ilicic, Ananidze all for the same team as starters. It's good for cup matches, but I should've invested more in defence and upfront, I have 2 forwards above 80 (Bojan and Lukaku) and 4 defenders above 84 (Abate, Bonucci, Gonalons and Santon)

A good way to achieve balance is to buy versatile players.

Take a look at my Valencia team:

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The versatile players I mean are Busquets, Hummels and Pedro.

If Busquets becomes injured, I can move Hummels up to cover him, and vice versa. If Villa or Ibra get injured, Pedro can take their place upfront.

This is very useful for teams with small squad sizes, as they may be decimated by injuries and cup matches.

My Derby and Valencia only have around 25 players, so it's very important I have players who can cover each over without my Average being let down.

5: The Other Managers

Think of this when joining a new gameworld:

Treat everybody else as an idiot.

Yep' date=' you read it right. You should apply this too. Treat every single manager as a complete muppet, even in forum filled setups (They may talk sense, but are they a good manager) That said, I myself didn't start using this until very recently, so I haven't thought of anybody on here as a muppet.

This section is important, as what the other managers do can be good and bad for you. For example, you may be in championships where there's a "Player Hogger" someone who has a very large squad and won't sell their players, or someone who has every decent prospect on their shortlist, so that they can try to outbid you.

There are a couple of ways to get around managers who shortlist everyone, the first is to distract them with many bids for players you don't really want, so that he/she bids for them. For example, Pedro Leon may be really useful for your team and he's at an external, and is shortlisted by the manager. You could then lodge bids for Ananidze, Ninis, Ilicic and Muniain, as well as Leon, in the hope that he will try to outbid you on one or two of them, and maybe leave Leon alone.

Alternatively you could be clever, and look at the times when the managers log in. This could be difficult, as some managers don't have specific times when they log in, like me, I was online at around three-in-the-morning on Tuesday, and I've been on just before midnight. During the rating changes for the main leagues, I'm on before eight AM so I can look at the risers and fallers and talk about them with my mates. Anyway, say this manager is an eleven year old kid, I doubt he'll be on any earlier than three to four PM on weekdays, and online after around nine PM. So you can lodge a bid at around nine-thirty, being pretty confident the pre-teen can't block it.

This can be made more difficult when the manager is an adult and is unpredictable to when he/she logs in. Therefore I would advise actively checking their profile pop-up, so that you can have a look to see when they've last logged in. If they haven't been seen for half an hour and it's ten at night, you can be pretty confident that they won't be coming back online, so that's when I would put a bid in.

If you're a moral person, you may not like this section, as it involves a bit of trickery. Basically it involves finding a gullible/ not so clever manager, and using them to your advantage. Please note, none of this is against the rules.

I wanted an Arsenal side, so I spent a few days looking for one I liked the look of. I found one with around 80M in the bank, and players like David Villa, Aguero, Lucio, Lloris and Ribery. This part is pure luck, but I knew what I was doing, I put a bid in for Pedro who was at Internazionale. My bid was just Ribas Diego, who was rated 93, and Pedro was rated 92.

To my joy, this deal was accepted (This was a few days before Diego dropped) and so, I did the best for myself as I could and took advantage of the now ex-Inter manager and practically stole some players from him!

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The third deal is not as good for me, but I still think it's a bargain, this league is pretty competitive, and the other manager may have cottoned on to what I was doing. I hasten to add that the other manager was NOT a young child, it was a adult, unless his D.O.B. Was false.

So my Arsenal side now had three great players, in exchange for two not so good players, and two better players, who will probably drop. You could do this in your gameworld(s), I can virtually guarantee that there will be a muppet in it, and if you don't mind taking advantage for your own gain, it is a ruthlessly effective way of strengthening your side.

A good way to find out which managers are not as hot as you is to look at their club transfers. If you see any that are a bit ridiculous, you have a good chance of having found a muppet. If you're not sure, just post their transfers on the forum and ask everyone what they think.

Thanks for reading, I know it's very long, but I hope it helps some people out.

New pieces of information may be edited in at some point.

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Re: A Guide- How to build a team.

Yea it needs to be a little more detailed. It's a shame that nobody has commented yet but im sure the comments will come:) dw

They have now!

I'll go into a few more points when I can' date=' I spent a good hour making this with all the picture etc :)

Pretty good guide. Should be helpful to managers

I was in a situation similar to what was described in point 2. Was going to buy 3 players for 100 million. Changed my mind and bought 20 players with the majority being 90+

Thanks mate :)

That's the idea, you'd probably end up with a better average with the 20 than just the 3, depends who you can buy really :)

Nice one. @Soccermanager posted this on twitter.

I've just checked' date=' and I'm delighted!

That's like amazing :D:D:D

Hehe :rolleyes::P

Anyways, great guide for new players, hope they see it and learn from it!

Smell check may be needed :P

I hope they do too :)

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They have now!

I'll go into a few more points when I can' date=' I spent a good hour making this with all the picture etc :)

Thanks mate :)

That's the idea, you'd probably end up with a better average with the 20 than just the 3, depends who you can buy really :)

I've just checked, and I'm delighted!

That's like amazing :D:D:D

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Smell check may be needed[/b] :P

I hope they do too :)

Showering can help with that problem, however I don't think it can help "spelling" :P

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Re: A Guide- How to build a team.

I'm 10 points ahead in GC 77 with a FC Metz squad at the middle of the season. My best player is Srna and then some 89 rated players (Cisse , Hageland , Jagielka...) and my best average 11 that I can get is 89 , but I usually have 88 because I'm trying to rotate the big ones.

So ... you don't have to get an average starting 11 of 92 to win something.

I've also won my champions league group with 6 points ahead the others .

It's mostly about tactics and how you know to counter the opponent's tactics.

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I'm 10 points ahead in GC 77 with a FC Metz squad at the middle of the season. My best player is Srna and then some 89 rated players (Cisse ' date=' Hageland , Jagielka...) and my best average 11 that I can get is 89 , but I usually have 88 because I'm trying to rotate the big ones.

So ... you don't have to get an average starting 11 of 92 to win something.

I've also won my champions league group with 6 points ahead the others .

It's mostly about tactics and how you know to counter the opponent's tactics.[/quote']

You sound like a genius! You should write a guide

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I'm 10 points ahead in GC 77 with a FC Metz squad at the middle of the season. My best player is Srna and then some 89 rated players (Cisse ' date=' Hageland , Jagielka...) and my best average 11 that I can get is 89 , but I usually have 88 because I'm trying to rotate the big ones.

So ... you don't have to get an average starting 11 of 92 to win something.

I've also won my champions league group with 6 points ahead the others .

It's mostly about tactics and how you know to counter the opponent's tactics.[/quote']

FC Metz?

Never heard of them:p

Ok, they're French, that's not as hard as a WC like I was referring too :)

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FC Metz?

Never heard of them:p

Ok' date=' they're French, that's not as hard as a WC like I was referring too :)[/quote']

Actually its in a GC where generally speaking, 95% of the time it is much much more competitive, not only in the opponents you face and their tactics but the transfer market. The very fact he competes in the SMFA cup against the best teams from each league would also add to the competitiveness of his Metz.

GC >> standard gameworlds. (95%) of the time.

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Actually its in a GC where generally speaking' date=' 95% of the time it is much much more competitive, not only in the opponents you face and their tactics but the transfer market. The very fact he competes in the SMFA cup against the best teams from each league would also add to the competitiveness of his Metz.

GC >> standard gameworlds. (95%) of the time.[/quote']

I understand that, tactics play a massive role, but this is not a tactics advice thread, it's designed to help newcomers achieve, and considering 99% of the gameworlds are not Gold only, I doubt newbies need an expert level of tactic know-how like he seems to have, which probably far surpasses mine :)

If people think my own take on tactics is needed, just say so :)

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FC Metz?

Never heard of them:p

Ok' date=' they're French, that's not as hard as a WC like I was referring too :)[/quote']

Just beat my second placed rival and I'm 13 points ahead ...

I'm not saying that it's a bad guide, I even repped you for this although I rarely give it to somebody lately , I was just pointing out that you don't have to fight for some 92 rated guys to make a good team and to win something, you can do it with an 88-89 rated one too and I think it would be better to play with 30-35 88-89 rated guys and to rotate them constantly and also to have some back-ups in case of injuries and so than to have a 21-25 top rated squad and to play them till they get NMF then lose matches because of this...

And the only Game worlds tougher than the GCs are those filled with forumers or old players who know the game , but honestly , there's no experience in any of those like the one you have in a GC...

Maybe one day if I'll have time I'll come up with an even more complete guide .(this was to answer to the guy who first replied to what I said)

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Just beat my second placed rival and I'm 13 points ahead ...

I'm not saying that it's a bad guide' date=' I even repped you for this although I rarely give it to somebody lately , I was just pointing out that you don't have to fight for some 92 rated guys to make a good team and to win something, you can do it with an 88-89 rated one too and I think it would be better to play with 30-35 88-89 rated guys and to rotate them constantly and also to have some back-ups in case of injuries and so than to have a 21-25 top rated squad and to play them till they get NMF then lose matches because of this...

And the only Game worlds tougher than the GCs are those filled with forumers or old players who know the game , but honestly , there's no experience in any of those like the one you have in a GC...

Maybe one day if I'll have time I'll come up with an even more complete guide .(this was to answer to the guy who first replied to what I said)[/quote']

You seem to be an excellent manager then, being able to win trophies and matches with a team that wouldn't normally do well, but I suppose pretty much every new manager has no clue on what to do with tactics, like I did :P

Maybe you should make a tactics guide like Sir Metz did :)

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You seem to be an excellent manager then' date=' being able to win trophies and matches with a team that wouldn't normally do well, but I suppose pretty much every new manager has no clue on what to do with tactics, like I did :P

Maybe you should make a tactics guide like Sir Metz did :)[/quote']

Yeah there's a connection between his name and my team , but I had no clue about that guide till a few weeks ago when a friend pointed it out. And honestly I don't really like it because it works only in like 75% of the cases and even then only if you're having an equal opponent and you're a little lucky .

There are more details to set than a 442 or 433 ... and if you're really up to something and planning to win a trophy you'll study every single detail.

For example my next match is against Lyon and it's an important one (they're 20 points behind , so I'm not scared it's just that I want to keep my unbeaten row). The manager will use a simple 3-5-2 and will probably go on attack counting on his top guys as he always does . I've studied all his last matches and right now I'm thinking whether to use 3-5-2 defensive and also use all my 89 players and try to get lucky or to use 4-2-2-2 and hope the same thing. Till now none of them sounds good to me , so I'll ask a friend to do a friendly with me tomorrow and to use the same 3-5-2 that guy uses to test something new, probably 5-3-2 which worked pretty well in the past

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As far as I can see SirMetz would recommend a 4-3-1-2 , a formation which I've crushed a few weeks ago using 3-5-2 , why should I use it now against Lyon? It would be almost suicidal.

He also seems like a 4-5-1 fan which is not effective at all in my team .

So it's all about details , opponents and so on .

If I'll write a guide I'll need more than a day to do it , maybe a week or so . And also I have to admit that I still haven't tested all the formations , so it would be incomplete.

However it would be interesting to have a general topic with different information from different managers and put them together.

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BUMP.

I want more people to see it :)

Saw it and.. I have to admit ... tactics aren't always working... I've lost 2-0 to an unmanaged 2 points lower average Toulouse team:mad: ... it ended my 20 matches undefeated row :(

I'm gonna go get some top guys now , I have enough 88-89ers to trade :D

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Saw it and.. I have to admit ... tactics aren't always working... I've lost 2-0 to an unmanaged 2 points lower average Toulouse team:mad: ... it ended my 20 matches undefeated row :(

I'm gonna go get some top guys now ' date=' I have enough 88-89ers to trade :D[/quote']

Well I suppose you always end up losing some games you should win, if SM was just based on averages and formations, it'd be rubbish, so instead we sometimes get anomalous results, which I think livens up the results.

That said, last season with Derby I slipped up on numerous occasions against weaker teams, but with a bit more tactical planning and good signings in the transfer market this season I've only lost 3 times in the league, out of 28 games, and drawn 3 times :D

Last season I lost 13 times, and drew 5 times, out of 38 games, then lost the play off final, so I think I've improved :)

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I find that Player Ratings don't make you win. Average Player Performance makes you win. If you keep losing have a look at each players average rating a game and if it is low, something like 5.00-6.90 then swap the player with another player that can play in his position. When i have done this i have been winning game because the players performance average ratings are higher. One example for me is Sergio Ramos was a starter in my team and he played 12, with a average rating performance off 6.28 with no assists or goals i then swapped him with Azpilicueta (21 yo-Marseille defender) and he played 10 matches with a rating off 7.88, 6 assists and 2 goals in the exact same positions. So now with all my teams i look at each players average performance and if it is low i replace him with a player (usually a low rated player for cup games) and he gets me a better rating, its not all about the highest ratings its about average performances, I hope you understood that. :D

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