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Re: Bundesliga Ratings 2010/2011 (III)

This was probably overlooked, so maybe this time I'll get any oppinions.

What's the situation with Werder players? You have Tim Wiese set to stay at 90' date=' though Werder's goal ratio is quite dreadfull. Does that mean, that it's not Wiese's fault for 61 conceded goal this season?

And then Marin. A lot of the players in the team keep their 90+ rating, but you see the probability for Marin to drop. Has he really been that bad for his team?

Thanks for your insight.

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What's the situation with Werder players? You have Tim Wiese set to stay at 90, though Werder's goal ratio is quite dreadfull. Does that mean, that it's not Wiese's fault for 61 conceded goal this season?[/quote']

Indeed, it wasn't Wiese's fault that Werder did so poorly this season. I would even say that they probably conceded even more goals without Wiese. The main problem at Werder was their defence. Mertesacker with a serious long-term dip in form. Naldo, who was injured the whole season. And Sylvestre, who was one of the worst signings this season.

And then Marin. A lot of the players in the team keep their 90+ rating' date=' but you see the probability for Marin to drop. Has he really been that bad for his team?[/quote']

I don't think he has been that bad but he really was far away from the level he could play. So it's worth to mention the small possibility of a drop.

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Great works you've done! Thanks.

I want to bring in three of my favourite youngsters in der Bundesliga.

1. Ömer Toprak (- already with Leverkusen, where he was the first player required by the new head coach Robin Dutt, to be his and team's replacement for Hyypiä). Toprak was very stable in Freiburg, and became better and better as the season went on. Any possibility for a bigger rise yet?

2. André Schürrle, a 20-years-old striker, who finished high on BL scoring stats - making 15 league goals, and playing extremely well. Same question as with Toprak..

3. Thomas Kraft, who had a great spring with Bayern (- and then made a mysterious move to Hertha BSC)... He and Neuer should be the future cornerstones for the Nationalmannschaft. All the other #1 BL keepers are 88-89.. So: the same question... :)

Thanks a lot for this EXTREMELY GREAT WORK!

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Hi PHIL, very nice work, n

No chance to JURADO to rise 90? He have any posibility?

i think he was the most important player in the season of SHALKE, whit NEVER(92), RAUL (90) and FARFAN (91) ¡ He plays 27 matches in league, and 11 in CHAMPIONS LEAGUE¡

Very bad season in the BUNDESLIGA, but i semifinal in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and posibily champion of the DFB POKAL¡

THANKS¡¡¡¡¡

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Great works you've done! Thanks.

I want to bring in three of my favourite youngsters in der Bundesliga.

1. Ömer Toprak (- already with Leverkusen' date=' where he was the first player required by the new head coach Robin Dutt, to be his and team's replacement for Hyypiä). Toprak was very stable in Freiburg, and became better and better as the season went on. Any possibility for a bigger rise yet?[/quote']

He wasn't very stable (I wonder where you got that from, as basically all reviews for him as well as my opinion were horrible), and he didn't really become much better. So no, he doesn't deserve a bigger rise. If he however manages to repeat his pre-injury form, then he might become an ok Bundesliga defender, but not much more probably I'm afraid.

2. André Schürrle' date=' a 20-years-old striker, who finished high on BL scoring stats - making [i']15 [/i] league goals, and playing extremely well. Same question as with Toprak..

Mainz's form stagnated a bit towards the end, however, his personal performances would warrant an 89. 50/50 between a stay and a rise I'd say.

3. Thomas Kraft' date=' who had a great spring with Bayern (- and then made a mysterious move to Hertha BSC)... He and Neuer should be the future cornerstones for the Nationalmannschaft. All the other #1 BL keepers are 88-89.. So: the same question... :)[/quote']

Hmm, neither did he have a great spring with Bayern (1), nor was his move to Hertha BSC too mysterious (2), nor do I think he will be a future cornerstone for Germany (3), nor is he a (currently) a #1 BL keeper (4), nor are all other #1 keepers 88-89 (5).

(1) I think his performances at Bayern varied somewhere between great (CL 1st leg against Inter) and absolutely awful (Hannover or Nürnberg) where he basically cost Bayern their last chances for the Bundesliga title, and a lot of very average games in between.

(2) His move to Hertha is totally understandable, Bayern are certain to sign Neuer either this or next summer, and since his contract expired, he was absolutely right to look for a club where he'd be (more or less undisputed) first choice.

(3) There currently are 2 keepers in their heights of their careers (in Neuer and Adler) who are undisputed in the NT, and only a 3rd place 'up for grabs', even though I don't see many reasons why Wiese should lose that place. And even if that 3rd spot was empty, there are a lot of keepers that I'd see ahead of him as they are either much better and more experienced (Weidenfeller, although I doubt he'll ever play a part in Löw's plans, Butt) or much better, and yet even younger and more talented (Baumann, Zieler, even ter Stegen looked a lot more solid than Kraft in a similar amount of games). Besides, I don't think I'd ever call a 2nd choice keeper a 'cornerstone' either, cornerstones are people like Ballack during his prime for example, players that are absolutely indisputed first choice, have leader qualities, are always reliable and so on.

(4) Due to his relatively many mistakes he lost his #1 spot under Bayern's new coach Jonkers again, and Butt replaced him once again. And he did much better than Kraft.

(5) Actually, there are quite a few #1 keepers in the BL that are under 88, and ptrobably will remain there for a while. Schäfer, Rensing, Ulreich to name a few.

Thanks a lot for this EXTREMELY GREAT WORK!

You're welcome.

Hi PHIL' date=' very nice work, n

No chance to JURADO to rise 90? He have any posibility?

i think he was the most important player in the season of SHALKE, whit NEVER(92), RAUL (90) and FARFAN (91) ¡ He plays 27 matches in league, and 11 in CHAMPIONS LEAGUE¡

Very bad season in the BUNDESLIGA, but i semifinal in the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE and posibily champion of the DFB POKAL¡

THANKS¡¡¡¡¡[/quote']

I don't know which Jurado you've seen, but the one I saw playing for Schalke was practically invisible (notice that pun ;)) and was of the most replaceable playesr in Schalke's line-up. Even players like Edu, Baumjohann or Draxler regularly played better than him (and that despite being played out of their favourite position as well). If it wasn't for Schalke's relatively good (and lucky) run in the CL and the cup, and his very rare decent performances (maybe 1 game in 10), he'd be in for a drop for sure. However, he never even came close to justifying his price tag.

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Phil, what are your views on Oliver Baumann going forwards. I see you have him down for a possible 87 next up. I picked him up when he was rated 82 and wondered whether he was a potential 90 plus keeper.

Will he need to move clubs ro realise his potential.

Also, I was wondering if he was a better propsect than Szczesny (of Arsenal).

Excellent thread, by the way.

PS - would like to see a rise for Marco Reus. Surely that's a possibility notwithstanding Borussia's indifferent season.

MH.

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He wasn't very stable (I wonder where you got that from' date=' as basically all reviews for him as well as my opinion were horrible), and he didn't really become much better. So no, he doesn't deserve a bigger rise. If he however manages to repeat his pre-injury form, then he might become an ok Bundesliga defender, but not much more probably I'm afraid.

- [i']Thanks for this opinion - I saw only 2 or three games, and he was quite good on those. I based that more on my colleagues 'critics'. But why on earth did Dutt want him there??? Well, at least he'll be getting fantastic advice from Hyypiä - who'll be around.[/i]

Mainz's form stagnated a bit towards the end, however, his personal performances would warrant an 89. 50/50 between a stay and a rise I'd say.

- Ok, I must believe you again, as you're the specialist. But any way, scoring 15 BL goals for a xxxxxx team like Mainz..

Hmm, neither did he have a great spring with Bayern (1), nor was his move to Hertha BSC too mysterious (2), nor do I think he will be a future cornerstone for Germany (3), nor is he a (currently) a #1 BL keeper (4), nor are all other #1 keepers 88-89 (5).

(1) I think his performances at Bayern varied somewhere between great (CL 1st leg against Inter) and absolutely awful (Hannover or Nürnberg) where he basically cost Bayern their last chances for the Bundesliga title, and a lot of very average games in between.

(2) His move to Hertha is totally understandable, Bayern are certain to sign Neuer either this or next summer, and since his contract expired, he was absolutely right to look for a club where he'd be (more or less undisputed) first choice.

(3) There currently are 2 keepers in their heights of their careers (in Neuer and Adler) who are undisputed in the NT, and only a 3rd place 'up for grabs', even though I don't see many reasons why Wiese should lose that place. And even if that 3rd spot was empty, there are a lot of keepers that I'd see ahead of him as they are either much better and more experienced (Weidenfeller, although I doubt he'll ever play a part in Löw's plans, Butt) or much better, and yet even younger and more talented (Baumann, Zieler, even ter Stegen looked a lot more solid than Kraft in a similar amount of games). Besides, I don't think I'd ever call a 2nd choice keeper a 'cornerstone' either, cornerstones are people like Ballack during his prime for example, players that are absolutely indisputed first choice, have leader qualities, are always reliable and so on.

(4) Due to his relatively many mistakes he lost his #1 spot under Bayern's new coach Jonkers again, and Butt replaced him once again. And he did much better than Kraft.

(5) Actually, there are quite a few #1 keepers in the BL that are under 88, and ptrobably will remain there for a while. Schäfer, Rensing, Ulreich to name a few.

- "WOW!!! I really hit the nerve! :)"

You're welcome.

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Apologies in advance, this has probably been asked a thousand times and I have looked at the predictions however I genuinely do not have time to trawl through the whole thread as I should be studying right now rather than writing a whole paragraph before I even get to the point!!

Anyway, Papiss CISSE. I see he's down to remain at 89.

I can understand why the argument against a rise but is there also case for him to reach 90 in the next changes considering Darren BENT reached 90 with Sunderland who finished 13th in the Premier League last season?

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Apologies in advance' date=' this has probably been asked a thousand times and I have looked at the predictions however I genuinely do not have time to trawl through the whole thread as I should be studying right now rather than writing a whole paragraph before I even get to the point!!

Anyway, Papiss CISSE. I see he's down to remain at 89.

I can understand why the argument against a rise but is there also case for him to reach 90 in the next changes considering Darren BENT reached 90 with Sunderland who finished 13th in the Premier League last season?[/quote']

Sorry another one I purchased recently on a bit of a whim as he was cheap, was young Dortmund striker Daniel GINCZEK. He's been scoring for Dortmund II over the last coulpe of years - 28 goals in 49 starts which is a decent record even if it is lower league.

With the emergence of GOTZE this season and with other young players performing well I kind of bought him assuming that Bortmund have a decent youth set-up and that they nurture young players very well. Whilst I've never seen him play I just wondered if anyone has seen him play and if there is a chance he could make a break-through next season?

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Apologies in advance' date=' this has probably been asked a thousand times and I have looked at the predictions however I genuinely do not have time to trawl through the whole thread as I should be studying right now rather than writing a whole paragraph before I even get to the point!!

Anyway, Papiss CISSE. I see he's down to remain at 89.

I can understand why the argument against a rise but is there also case for him to reach 90 in the next changes considering Darren BENT reached 90 with Sunderland who finished 13th in the Premier League last season?[/quote']

Just because one player is horribly overrated, doesn't mean another one should be, too.

Generally, it's a very bad idea to compare a player to a 'z0mg he plays for England so he must be great !!111!!!!' phenomenon.

Sorry another one I purchased recently on a bit of a whim as he was cheap' date=' was young Dortmund striker Daniel GINCZEK. He's been scoring for Dortmund II over the last coulpe of years - 28 goals in 49 starts which is a decent record even if it is lower league.

With the emergence of GOTZE this season and with other young players performing well I kind of bought him assuming that Bortmund have a decent youth set-up and that they nurture young players very well. Whilst I've never seen him play I just wondered if anyone has seen him play and if there is a chance he could make a break-through next season?[/quote']

Ginczek is actually a decent striker and probably amongst Germany's 5 best strikers in his age group, but I think a break-through at Dortmund can be ruled out unless a horror scenario happens. He's currently only 4th/5th/6th striker in Dortmund's system behind Barrios, Lewandowski and Zidan and battling with Stiepermann and le Tallec for the 4th spot, with the latter 2 having the advantage to be able to play on the wings as well, while Ginczek is a pure goalgetter and finisher. Best you can hope for is that he'll get loaned out (to a 2. Bundesliga side), which I think is relatively likely.

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Just because one player is horribly overrated' date=' doesn't mean another one should be, too.

Generally, it's a very bad idea to compare a player to a 'z0mg he plays for England so he must be great !!111!!!!' phenomenon.

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The times have changed; the phenomenon is nowadays "z0mg he played 2min as sub for farcelona?? he must be god i wanna pay 100000m for him" ;)

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(3) There currently are 2 keepers in their heights of their careers (in Neuer and Adler) who are undisputed in the NT' date=' and only a 3rd place 'up for grabs', even though I don't see many reasons why Wiese should lose that place. And even if that 3rd spot was empty, there are a lot of keepers that I'd see ahead of him as they are either much better and more experienced (Weidenfeller, although I doubt he'll ever play a part in Löw's plans, Butt) or much better, and yet even younger and more talented (Baumann, Zieler, even ter Stegen looked a lot more solid than Kraft in a similar amount of games). Besides, I don't think I'd ever call a 2nd choice keeper a 'cornerstone' either, cornerstones are people like Ballack during his prime for example, players that are absolutely indisputed first choice, have leader qualities, are always reliable and so on.

(5) Actually, there are quite a few #1 keepers in the BL that are under 88, and ptrobably will remain there for a while. Schäfer, Rensing, Ulreich to name a few.[/quote']

Hi Phil,

Just wanted to ask where you think Ron-Robert Zieler might fit in (probably in point 6 if there was one) as an 'up and coming keeper? Apparently Joachim Low had this to say about him recently "The Hannover goalkeeper is great, he's really good and has a lot of class".

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Marco Reus staying at 87? i think he deserves a +1 ' date='does he?[/quote']

yes he does, despite seeing his club relegated hes been their best player without a doubt and has scored 8 goals and 9 assists, which is really good, i would say a +! is definate if hes moves to a bigger club in the summer then by summer 2012 he could be on a 91/92

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... i would say a +! is definate if hes moves to a bigger club in the summer ...

But as he already has pointed out that he wants to stay at Gladbach - no matter what happens - a rise is more than uncertain so far.

Though I agree he was one of the best (if not the best) players at Gladbach, he won't rise for sure if Gladbach get relegated. However they won the first leg against Bochum 1-0 so maybe they'll stay in the league. Still I rate the chances for a rise quite low then.

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