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The Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues

- May 2011 -

SM has started to review the European top leagues for the last time of this season. These reviews are always quite interesting for the community as most of the high rated players will be re-rated. And I decided to offer the interested people a deeper insight into this leagues and how the ratings changed in the respective leagues. So in this thread you will neither find any rating predictions nor any risers. This is a thread for the users that want to see the bigger picture.

In the following posts I will often use two special descriptions: "Top 18" and "Top 11".

"Top 18" means that I choose the average of the 18 best players of a club. Why 18? Because I think that this fits quite good the extended squad of each team. Why comparing only an extended squad and not the whole squad? Because in SM some teams have lots of young players with low ratings and some other teams have only few young players in their squad (e.g. Bayern Munich as they have a second team on the database). This would falsify the results so it's better just to view an extended squad.

"Top 11" logically means the best 11 players of each team. I think that this needs no further explanation.

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Pre-Analysis Italian Serie A

Post-Analysis Italian Serie A

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Pre-Analysis French Ligue 1

Post-Analysis French Ligue 1

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Pre-Analysis Spanish La Liga

Post-Analysis Spanish La Liga

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Pre-Analysis English Premier League

Post-Analysis English Premier League

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Pre-Analysis German Bundesliga

Post-Analysis German Bundesliga

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Pre-Analysis Italian Serie A

Highest Rated Players

Eto'o & Ibrahimovic (96)

Number of players rated 95+

6

Number of players rated 93+

17

Number of players rated 90+

67

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Inter Milan (92.33)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Inter Milan (94.09)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Brescia (85.06)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

US Lecce (85.55)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

87.75

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

88.56

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Number of players rated x

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Post-Analysis Italian Serie A

Highest Rated Players

Eto'o & Ibrahimovic (96)

Number of players rated 95+

5

Number of players rated 93+

15

Number of players rated 90+

67

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Inter Milan (91.94)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Inter Milan (93.64)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Brescia (84.72)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Brescia (85.18)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

87.63

(-0.12)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

88.49

(-0.07)

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Team absolute change

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Number of players rated x

blue = before the changes

orange = after the changes

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Pre-Analysis French Ligue 1

Highest Rated Players

Lucho Gonzalez (93)

Number of players rated 95+

0

Number of players rated 93+

1

Number of players rated 90+

25

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Lyon (89.61)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Lyon (90.64)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Arles-Avignon (83.61)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Arles-Avignon (84.55)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

86.63

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

87.49

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Number of players rated x

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Post-Analysis French Ligue 1

Highest Rated Players

Gonzalez, Lisandro, Toulalan, Lloris (92)

Number of players rated 95+

0

Number of players rated 93+

0

Number of players rated 90+

27

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Lyon (89.56)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Lyon (90.45)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Arles-Avignon (82.56)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Arles-Avignon (84.27)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

86.56

(-0.07)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

87.60

(+0.11)

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Team absolute change

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Number of players rated x

blue = before the changes

orange = after the changes

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Pre-Analysis Spanish La Liga

Highest Rated Players

Messi & Ronaldo (98)

Number of players rated 95+

9

(6 at Barcelona, 3 at Madrid)

Number of players rated 93+

22

Number of players rated 90+

56

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

FC Barcelona (93.17)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

FC Barcelona (94.91)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Levante (85.44)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Levante (85.91)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

87.68

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

88.45

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Number of players rated x

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Post-Analysis Spanish La Liga

Highest Rated Player

Messi (99)

(he is only the second player reaching 99 in SM - first one was Ronaldinho, who also got this rating at Barcelona)

Number of players rated 95+

9

(Again all of these high rated players are playing for Barcelona or Madrid but the ratio changed as Barcelona got a 7th 95+ player with Dani Alves and Real lost one with Kaka dropping)

Number of players rated 93+

22

(Though this number hasn't changed we have a new one in this ranking. Valdes got his 93 whilst Forlan dropped to 92)

Number of players rated 90+

56

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Barcelona (93.28)

(Barca being the team with the highest average rating after the changes isn't really surprising. But it's impressing. Just mentioning the "top teams" of the other 2 already reviewed leagues again: Inter (91.94), Lyon (89.56))

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Barcelona (95.27)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Levante (85.11)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Hercules (86.00)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

87.45

(-0.23)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

88.35

(-0.1)

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Team absolute change

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Number of players rated x

blue = before the changes

orange = after the changes

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Pre-Analysis English Premier League

Highest Rated Players

Vidic (96)

Number of players rated 95+

6

(3 at Chelsea, 2 at ManUtd, 1 at Arsenal)

Number of players rated 93+

22

(all of them at Arsenal, ManUtd, Chelsea, Liverpool and ManCity)

Number of players rated 90+

84

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

FC Chelsea (92.33)

(Teams average rating between Real Madrid (92.78) and Inter (91.94))

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

FC Chelsea (93.64)

(Before the changes on a par with Inter (93.64))

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Blackpool (85.17)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Blackpool (85.64)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

88.04

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

88.83

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Number of players rated x

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Post-Analysis English Premier League

Highest Rated Player

Vidic (96)

Number of players rated 95+

5

(After Torres' drop only 5 players with a rating of 95 or higher are remaining in the PL. All of them still at ManUtd, Arsenal and Chelsea)

Number of players rated 93+

20

Number of players rated 90+

85

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Chelsea (92.17)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Chelsea (93.36)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

Blackpool (85.11)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

Blackpool (85.55)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

88.02

(-0.02)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

88.76

(-0.07)

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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One thing I have to mention here:

Indeed it's true that Manchester City and Arsenal now have both the same top 18 average and top 11 average. I've double-checked this. So currently it can be said that both teams are equal in terms of SM ratings.

Team absolute change

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Number of players rated x

blue = before the changes

orange = after the changes

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Pre-Analysis German Bundesliga

Highest Rated Players

Ribery (95)

Number of players rated 95+

1

Number of players rated 93+

6

(5 at Bayern & Mertesacker at Bremen)

Number of players rated 90+

46

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

FC Bayern (90.61)

(Slightly above ManCity and Arsenal with 90.56 but worse than AC Milan with 91.11)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

FC Bayern (92.09)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

St. Pauli (84.67)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

St. Pauli (85.36)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

87.07

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

87.94

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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There is no league in which these graphs look as strange as in the Bundesliga.

Number of players rated x

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Post-Analysis German Bundesliga

Highest Rated Player

Ribery (95)

Number of players rated 95+

1

Number of players rated 93+

5

Number of players rated 90+

43

Highest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

FC Bayern (90.36)

Highest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

FC Bayern (92.18)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 18 players' average)

St Pauli (83.67)

Lowest Rated Team (Top 11 players' average)

St Pauli (84.64)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 18 players' average)

87.05

(-0.02)

Average Rating of the whole league (Top 11 players' average)

87.93

(-0.01)

Team average Ratings (Top 18)

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Team average Ratings (Top 11)

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Team absolute change

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Number of players rated x

blue = before the changes

orange = after the changes

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

Very interesting' date=' should keep an eye on this. Wonder how much Inter will drop in average as this season hasn't really been their best and they seem to be very high above the red line :o[/quote']

As you said: Inter faced some drops. Their top XI dropped by 0.45, what seem to be quite harsh due to finishing second. But the stats show that they were rated high over the red line.

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I have updated the thread by adding the Serie A Post-analysis and the Ligue 1 Pre-Analysis.

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

Updated the thread by adding the Spanish Pre-Rating analysis.

By the way: I'd love to have some more discussion in here. So far it seems to me that there are only a handful of people interested in this thread. Is it too boring?

In order to try to start at least a small discussion I'll tell you one thing I noticed when making the Spanish Pre-Analysis and this is something that really surprised me:

Of course everyone would say here that the Spanish league is a better league than the Italian one. La Liga has been better according to the Uefa country ranking since the year 2000. So they have been better for 11 years than the Italian league. Of course at the start of this millennium both leagues have been almost on the same par. But with ongoing years the gap has become bigger and bigger.

Nevertheless there are 67 players with a rating of 90 or higher in Italy and only 56 players rated 90+ in Spain.

If you take a look at the players rated 88+ then the gap is even bigger:

Italy 185

Spain 164

These are some strange figures in my eyes.

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

Updated the thread by adding the Spanish Pre-Rating analysis.

By the way: I'd love to have some more discussion in here. So far it seems to me that there are only a handful of people interested in this thread. Is it too boring?

In order to try to start at least a small discussion I'll tell you one thing I noticed when making the Spanish Pre-Analysis and this is something that really surprised me:

Of course everyone would say here that the Spanish league is a better league than the Italian one. La Liga has been better according to the Uefa country ranking since the year 2000. So they have been better for 11 years than the Italian league. Of course at the start of this millennium both leagues have been almost on the same par. But with ongoing years the gap has become bigger and bigger.

Nevertheless there are 67 players with a rating of 90 or higher in Italy and only 56 players rated 90+ in Spain.

If you take a look at the players rated 88+ then the gap is even bigger:

Italy 185

Spain 164

These are some strange figures in my eyes.

my take is that look at the gulf between the top sides. Spain only really has real and barca with valencia and villerreal trailing behind but italy has a more open championship, we have seen many clubs rise and fall ie juventus, sampdoria etc. more higher rated players have been attracted to italy as more teams believe they can win the scudetto, and many clubs have been up and around the top 3/4, this season saw napoli and udinese finish higher than expected really whilst 5-10 years ago you had Juve, AC, Inter, Samp, Fiorentina, Lazio, and many high rated players have been in italy for many years ie Buffon at one clubs whilst others moved around ie Vieri. National sides may have a factor, Spain historically draws most of its top first teamers from Barca/Real whilst Italy take there players from more clubs, which helps boost the chance of ratings increases...

if you can see where im coming from??

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

This is perhaps one of the most intriguing threads on the forum. I feel like I need to have a degree in Statistics before I can contribute though,. REALLY excellent hard work though, Tim CHEEERS

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

Updated the thread by adding the Spanish Pre-Rating analysis.

By the way: I'd love to have some more discussion in here. So far it seems to me that there are only a handful of people interested in this thread. Is it too boring?

In order to try to start at least a small discussion I'll tell you one thing I noticed when making the Spanish Pre-Analysis and this is something that really surprised me:

Of course everyone would say here that the Spanish league is a better league than the Italian one. La Liga has been better according to the Uefa country ranking since the year 2000. So they have been better for 11 years than the Italian league. Of course at the start of this millennium both leagues have been almost on the same par. But with ongoing years the gap has become bigger and bigger.

Nevertheless there are 67 players with a rating of 90 or higher in Italy and only 56 players rated 90+ in Spain.

If you take a look at the players rated 88+ then the gap is even bigger:

Italy 185

Spain 164

These are some strange figures in my eyes.

I'm not commenting because you say all that is needed to be said :) It's a terrific thread with loads of effort put in and I for one appreciate it.

I agree with the previous poster on the 90+ anomalies. Italy as a league appears to have more strength in depth, indicated by the distances above the line of best fit the Real and Barca bars are :P I think Spain also tends to have the higher rated of these players so if you were to do the average rating of the 90+ players in Italy, it'd be lower than the average of that in Spain. Hence the good Spanish players are better but they tend to be spread across fewer clubs and hence their ratings are lower.

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

This is brilliant mate, repped.

And again, I thought the same as the Stuart and JMH when I read your discussion starter post.

Barca and Madrid are the only teams that challenge for the La Liga title. Most of their players are picked for Spain, with only a handful of others from other teams being picked. So it's harder for the lower clubs as they don't have many NT players, which means that they're players are rated lower.

I don't know much about the Italian League except for the fact that more of the players get a chance of playing for the NT, so the lower clubs have players with international experience, and end up being rated higher.

I noticed as well that it looks like the ratings in the French League is slipping a little too with a lot of teams 'Top 18 Average Ratings' getting lower. I wonder if that's because more English teams are looking to the French League for players now the prices have inflated for players in England?

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

First of all:

This is perhaps one of the most intriguing threads on the forum.

Thanks' date='

It's a terrific thread with loads of effort put in and I for one appreciate it.

thanks

This is brilliant mate' date=' repped.[/quote']

and thanks.

And then some really good points have been made here

my take is that look at the gulf between the top sides. Spain only really has real and barca with valencia and villerreal trailing behind but italy has a more open championship' date=' we have seen many clubs rise and fall ie juventus, sampdoria etc. [b']more higher rated players have been attracted to italy as more teams believe they can win the scudetto[/b], and many clubs have been up and around the top 3/4, this season saw napoli and udinese finish higher than expected really whilst 5-10 years ago you had Juve, AC, Inter, Samp, Fiorentina, Lazio, and many high rated players have been in italy for many years ie Buffon at one clubs whilst others moved around ie Vieri. National sides may have a factor, Spain historically draws most of its top first teamers from Barca/Real whilst Italy take there players from more clubs, which helps boost the chance of ratings increases...

if you can see where im coming from??

Especially the ones in bold I fully agree with and I think these are very good points for Italy having more high rated players.

If I compare it with Germany, winning the title gave Wolfsburg players once a massive boost for their ratings. And when I started playing the game many Stuttgart players had high ratings as they one also quite surprisingly the title in 2007.

So though in Italy mainly Inter dominated in the last few years at least numerous clubs had the chance to compete for the remaining 3 CL spots (or for the remaining 6 international spots). In Spain on the other hand 2 of the 4 CL spots are normally reserved for Barca and Real.

Furthermore nearly the whole Spanish national team is full of Barca and Real players.

I'm looking forward to do the pre-analysis of Germany and England so that we can compare all leagues regarding this issue. (I already have all the stats in my excel sheet but I will have to analyse the data. So I normally will add the remaining leagues as soon as SM started to rate them).

England normally should be the clear leader then in terms of having players rated 90+ or 88+ as it's the best league with more than only 2 top challenging teams that can win the title.

Germany again like Italy has lots of teams that can compete for the top places in table but due to the missing consistent in CL (except Bayern) there are fewer players rated quite highly. However there should again be more (or at least almost as many) players rated 88+.

Italy as a league appears to have more strength in depth' date=' indicated by the distances above the line of best fit the Real and Barca bars are :P [/quote']

The gap between Barca/Real and the rest of the Spanish league is really incredibly huge. Though I wasn't surprised when I saw the results, it's still kind of shocking. But if we take a look at the table (and especially how big the point gap between Real and the third-placed Valencia is) the gap in average ratings is more or less deserved.

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The gap between Barca/Real and the rest of the Spanish league is really incredibly huge. Though I wasn't surprised when I saw the results' date=' it's still kind of shocking. But if we take a look at the table (and especially how big the point gap between Real and the third-placed Valencia is) the gap in average ratings is more or less deserved.[/quote']

I have no doubt that the rating gap is warranted due to the sheer difference in class of the sides in question. However, a substitute/reserve at Barca or Real isn't usually going to have a 90+ rating so whilst the two sides are very good, I think that's shown more in the ratings of their best eleven. The chasing pack just aren't good enough to have the share of 90+ players that the chasing packs in Italy or England may warrant.

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

Very good and interesting thread Timeslee. Im also surprised with Italy having more 90 rated players than Spain. Okay, the gap between Barça/Real and the other teams is really big, but that´s also because they´re probably, and this is arguably ofc, the best teams in the world. So they make the other teams looks worse than they really are. Valencia, Vilarreal, Sevilla, Atletico Madrid are very good teams with great players, and most part of other teams are also decent. Barça and Real would also excell in other top leagues, speacilly Barça, and the gap would be big too. We just have to look at Champions League.. Barça absolutely dominated it. Its just my opinion. Cheers.

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Re: Rating Analysis of the Big Leagues - May 2011

I updated the thread and added the La Liga post-analysis. :)

I think I'll have the time to add the Premier League pre-analysis tomorrow.

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I noticed as well that it looks like the ratings in the French League is slipping a little too with a lot of teams 'Top 18 Average Ratings' getting lower. I wonder if that's because more English teams are looking to the French League for players now the prices have inflated for players in England?

I don't get your point here to be honest :o

You might be right' date=' that more English teams are scouting in France as it's insane if you take Liverpool for example and what huge (and IMO exorbitant) prices they pay for players from league rivals.

But I so far tried to avoid differences in team ratings that were caused by transfer moves. So your point shouldn't be the reason for some French teams dropping in average.

I rather would say it's because of some teams 'under-performing' like Lyon and Bordeaux.

Very good and interesting thread Timeslee. Im also surprised with Italy having more 90 rated players than Spain. Okay, the gap between Barça/Real and the other teams is really big, but that´s also because they´re probably, and this is arguably ofc, the best teams in the world. So they make the other teams looks worse than they really are. Valencia, Vilarreal, Sevilla, Atletico Madrid are very good teams with great players, and most part of other teams are also decent. Barça and Real would also excell in other top leagues, speacilly Barça, and the gap would be big too. We just have to look at Champions League.. Barça absolutely dominated it. Its just my opinion. Cheers.

Agree here with you. I also would say that teams like Atletico, Sevilla, Valencia or Villarreal don't have to fear teams like Juventus, AS Roma, Lazio or Udinese. But the points made by some previous posters are really plausible: In Italy these teams have better chances to shine whilst in Spain there are these two dominant teams.

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