Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 In this thread I will tell you which formations counter which. This is a simple, down to earth thread, easy for everyone to use. Enjoy Nubbles, Tim Oladz, 123_ABC and 3 others 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Updated Version!!!: In my experience at managing and also general comprehension of tactics, I think that: To counter 4-4-2, I would use 3-4-2-1 with diagonal arrows on players 10 & 11, 3-5-2, or 4-4-1-1 To counter 4-3-3, use any formation with 5 in the midfield To counter 4-5-1, use 5-3-2, as suggested by arampage To counter 3-4-3, use 4-2-3-1 To counter 3-5-2, use 4-5-1 defensive or 4-1-3-2 To counter 3-3-4, use 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 To counter 5-4-1, use 3-5-2 To counter 5-3-2, use 3-2-2-2-1 or 4-3-3 wingers To counter 5-2-3, use 4-5-1 defensive To counter 4-4-2 diamond, use 3-5-2 or 3-2-2-2-1 To counter 4-3-3 wingers, use 3-4-2-1 or 3-5-2 To counter 4-5-1 defensive, use 3-4-2-1 To counter 4-2-3-1, use 4-5-1 defensive or default 4-4-2 To counter 4-3-2-1, use 4-2-3-1 To counter 4-4-1-1, use 4-3-3 wingers To counter 4-3-1-2, use 3-4-3 or 5-3-2 To counter 3-4-1-2, use 4-5-1 To counter 3-4-2-1, use 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 To counter 5-3-2 defensive, use 3-4-3 To counter 4-2-4, use 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 To counter 4-2-2-2, use 3-5-2 To counter 4-1-3-2, use 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 wingers To counter 3-2-2-2-1, use 3-5-2 Hope you enjoy! And start winning games from now on too! Note, if you have used this advice and lost a game, please post it in this thread so I can have a careful look and maybe change it. NOTE NOTE: It seems that after SM changed, the counters have mostly stopped working as well as before, as randomisation has been added chance results are more likely to happen (i.e. 352 might not thrash a 442 and 433 wingers might lose to 352 etc.) if you encounter such results post the report here and me and fellow forumers will help you out P.S. I have un-subscribed from this thread myself due to increasing work load and other reasons. Vanaldo, Nabu, matt_safc and 17 others 17 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elton 1,380 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations 4-4-2 diamond also works well against 4-3-3 wingers when I tried it a few times This is useful when someone thinks you will choose the 3-5-2 and try to counter to 4-3-3 wingers but you just switch to 4-4-2 diamond to most probably win Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations 4-4-2 diamond also works well against 4-3-3 wingers when I tried it a few times This is useful when someone thinks you will choose the 3-5-2 and try to counter to 4-3-3 wingers but you just switch to 4-4-2 diamond to most probably win 4-5-1 is good too, but I think 4-1-3-2 is best, the 1 DM/CM stops the front striker along with you CBs, the 3 AMs/Wingers and the 2 Fwds out numbers their defensive 3. What do you think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elton 1,380 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations 4-5-1 is good too' date=' but I think 4-1-3-2 is best, the 1 DM/CM stops the front striker along with you CBs, the 3 AMs/Wingers and the 2 Fwds out numbers their defensive 3.What do you think?[/quote'] I only ever used 4-4-2 diamond to counter it, never tried the other 2. Might give it a go and see what happens Hyina 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Newman 12,138 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations I only ever used 4-4-2 diamond to counter it' date=' never tried the other 2. Might give it a go and see what happens [/quote']Hehe ..................... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Elton 1,380 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Hehe ..................... Yes what is it Newman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jooles 7,156 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Out of interest, what are these counters based on? How many times has 3-2-2-2-1 played 5-3-2 sweeper, and 3-4-3 played 5-3-2 defensive, what were the results, etc.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Out of interest' date=' what are these counters based on?How many times has 3-2-2-2-1 played 5-3-2 sweeper, and 3-4-3 played 5-3-2 defensive, what were the results, etc.?[/quote'] Results from friendlies, league matches etc.. For the more rare formations I drew the formations out and had a thought about it. E.g: X X X-------X X-------X-------X ----X------X---- ----X------X---- It's difficult to display this on typing, I'll see if I can scan and upload some photos... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waswas 43 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations nice guide of a thread:) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waswas 43 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations i was thinking to improve the thread you can include what tactics play style to use to counter the formation mind you there is a thread about this sir metz's i think, but don't know if it actually still works Quote Link to post Share on other sites
123_ABC 9,305 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Testing this tonight with two teams with my own instructions. My 3-2-2-2-1 against 4-1-2-1-2 & 4-5-1 Counter Attack Use Playmaker Use Target Man Normal Tackling Attacking Mentality Mixed Passing Mixed Attacking Style Normal Tempo Pressing All Over Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Testing this tonight with my own instructions.My 3-2-2-2-1 against 4-1-2-1-2 Counter Attack Use Playmaker Use Target Man Normal Tackling Attacking Mentality Mixed Passing Mixed Attacking Style Normal Tempo Pressing All Over What is a 4-1-2-1-2 formation? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Testing this tonight with two teams with my own instructions.My 3-2-2-2-1 against 4-1-2-1-2 & 4-5-1 Counter Attack Use Playmaker Use Target Man Normal Tackling Attacking Mentality Mixed Passing Mixed Attacking Style Normal Tempo Pressing All Over Ok, good luck! (Or my thread is ruined :rolleyes:) arampage 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
123_ABC 9,305 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Ok' date=' good luck! (Or my thread is ruined :rolleyes:)[/quote']4-1-2-1-2/4-4-2 diamond how ever you want to put it lol Anyway this is like last resort for me cause I have good teams losing. many people say counters dont work but this is the test. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations 4-1-2-1-2/4-4-2 diamond how ever you want to put it lolAnyway this is like last resort for me cause I have good teams losing. many people say counters dont work but this is the test. suggestion: put a defensive arrow on one of your DMs. and no forward arrows needed on anyoneelse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
123_ABC 9,305 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations suggestion: put a defensive arrow on one of your DMs. and no forward arrows needed on anyoneelse cool. I never use arrows but this 1 makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
123_ABC 9,305 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Result against 4-4-2 diamond I won 3-0. Dominated on possession which was 63|37. I had 32 total shots compared to 9 from the other team. Still awaiting result against the 4-5-1 formation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Result against 4-4-2 diamond I won 3-0. Dominated on possession which was 63|37. I had 32 total shots compared to 9 from the other team. Still awaiting result against the 4-5-1 formation. Yay, my tactics work!! Whoooooooo Thank you for broadcasting my success Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations I used 4-4-2 diamond tonight against 4-3-3 wingers and I won 2-0, I had: 55% posession 14 shots 9 shots on goal 6 corners 2 yellow cards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
123_ABC 9,305 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Congrats Hyina 2/2 for you. Second result 1-0. They dominated me on possession but I had 19 Total shots compared to the other teams 8. Shots on Target 7, they had 1. 1 red card and injury for me though but 3 points im happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hyina 9,760 Posted June 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations Congrats Hyina2/2 for you. Second result 1-0. They dominated me on possession but I had 19 Total shots compared to the other teams 8. Shots on Target 7' date=' they had 1. 1 red card and injury for me though but 3 points im happy.[/quote'] Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waswas 43 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations great results m8 my man.u won 3-1 away against a 4-4-2 using a 3-5-2 (always play with this formation anways) but my real test will be against chelsea in 2 days time (cup final match), who always beat me,even when i put my strong team which is 96 rated, guess it won't bee strong as i'll have to go with a 4-4-2 diamond this time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waswas 43 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations my bad, i'll have to play 3-2-2-2-1 to counter the 5-4-1 formation, should do it easily, lol dnt know y i played 3-5-2 against 5-4-1 against them last match lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt72 25,087 Posted June 4, 2011 Report Share Posted June 4, 2011 Re: Counter formations In my experience at managing and also general comprehension of tactics' date=' I think that:3-5-2 counters 4-4-2 4-2-2-2 counters 4-3-3 3-2-2-2-1 counters 4-5-1 4-2-3-1 counter 3-4-3 4-3-3 wingers counters 3-5-2 4-4-2 counters 3-3-4 3-2-2-2-1 counters 5-4-1 3-4-2-1 counters 4-3-2 4-3-3 counters 5-2-3 3-2-2-2-1 counters 4-4-2 diamond 4-1-3-2 or 4-4-2 diamond counters 4-3-3 wingers 3-4-2-1- counters 4-5-1 defensive 3-2-2-2-1 counters 4-2-3-1 3-5-2 counters 4-3-2-1 3-2-2-2-1 counters 4-4-1-1 3-5-2 counter 4-1-3-2 3-4-3 counters 4-3-1-2 4-5-1 counters 3-4-1-2 3-2-2-2-1 counters 5-3-2 sweeper 3-4-3 counters 5-3-2 defensive 4-3-3 counters 4-2-4 3-2-2-2-1 counters 4-2-2-2 3-5-2 counters 4-1-3-2 3-4-1-2 counters 3-2-2-2-1 Hope you enjoy! And start winning games from now on too! [/quote'] i disagree with the 3-5-2 counters 4-1-3-2, i have lost four consecutive games against liverpool starting with 3-5-2 first half losing 2-0 at half time thn playing like for like 2nd half and losing 3-2. Both sides are equally matched so i strongly disagree with that Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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